New job numbers from businesses, contractors, state and local governments,
nonprofit groups and universities were scheduled to be released publicly later
Friday. White House economic adviser Jared Bernstein said the figures will show that, the stimulus plan has created or saved more than 1 million jobs.
"It's a great example of the unprecedented transparency, where the American taxpayer can point and click and see their taxes creating jobs," Bernstein said.
I can't believe they would bring up transparency after creating a new health care bill that's 1,900 pages long, weighing over 19 lbs, and written in legalese hieroglyphics (but that is a subject for another post).
The number of jobs created by government spending is an impossible thing to measure. It is not a recorded statistic, nor is it accepted by any economist who's not working in the White House. Government CAN look at the money they’ve spent, and calculate exactly how many jobs are being paid for by that money. But, to say that they have created jobs overall is ridiculous, and impossible. There are far too many un-measurables involved in calculating the impact of stimulus spending when trying to determine job creation. First, they cannot know what the money could have done if left to the taxpayer. Secondly, they completely ignore the fact that they have taken limited financial resources out of the producing sectors of the economy, which inevitably limits future growth. You also need to consider where the money is being taken from. When the money spent is either borrowed, taxed, or freshly printed fiat money (or in this case all of the above) there are long term consequences to taxpayers. These consequences range from a moderate devaluing our dollar to hyperinflation. But there is more…..
Look at their claim to have SAVED jobs. For this claim to have any tangible meaning, the White House would require 100% accuracy in measuring the EXPECTED employment in the immediate future. This data is crucial for measuring employment levels in the absence of the stimulus. Obama and his economists cannot possibly acheive that measurement with any confidence. The White House knows it, and so does the press that covers them (or don't cover him I should say). It makes you wonder why they let it slide, or even more astonishingly, why they praise him for it. Tony Fratto, of CNBC, pointed out the insanity of this back in March and July, when all this idiocy began:
The White House has absolutely no earthly clue how many job losses have been
prevented because of the stimulus bill. None. These distinguished economists
would have failed Statistics 101 for making such a laughable claim. But we see
them now repeating these assertions to reporters who have seemingly abandoned
all skepticism.
To understand just how unknowable this data is, all you need to do is to look at The Bureau of Labor Statistics (BLS). The BLS consists of the best employment statisticians the world has ever known. People whose lives are dedicated to employment data, conducting labor surveys and research. Even they would not be able to tell you how many jobs were created from the stimulus. In fact, monthly BLS revisions of past job creation estimates are routinely off by tens of thousands of jobs, and on occasion by more than a hundred thousand jobs.
Projecting job creation with any degree of accuracy was always inherently impossible, and should never have been taken seriously. If I had tried to pull off this ridiculous gimmick, we would have been run out of town. A self-respecting press corps would vigorously question the White House on their claims. We'll see if we have one.
We certainly DON’T have a self-respecting press corps, but we didn’t need to dissect this issue in order to determine that. Obama is continually making up nonsense statistics, in order to re-arrange this country in a way that Americans don’t want. He is being assisted by a deranged press corps that cheerleads everything he does. And to top it all off: there are now multiple reports coming out today, showing that the White House is overstating the number of jobs funded with stimulus money by as much as 30%! If they can’t even get the easy stats right, how are we supposed to believe they are able to calculate what the most experienced employment statisticians cannot? Democratic voters should be embarrassed by this, but they will most likely tout these magical numbers as proof of Obama’s brilliance.
In light of this post, and the one I did yesterday, let me sum up with a few questions.
Does anyone out there feel like things are getting better?
Is unemployment increasing or decreasing?
Are loans getting easier or harder to get?
Foreclosures going up or down?
Unemployment benefits going up or down?
Government spending, up or down?
The value of the dollar going up or down?
National debt up or down?
This government is destroying the wealth of this nation. And worst of all, they are being thanked for it.
Excellent points, Dunc... I just want to expand a bit on the credulity of the press in this situation. As we've discussed before, we no longer have NEWS organizations, we have ENTERTAINMENT companies. When one combines the inherent selectivity of reporting with the drive for ratings and profit, one finds oneself on a very slippery slope...
ReplyDeleteThere is a word for the type of content that has replaced NEWS in many of our NEWS sources: PROPAGANDA.
Check out this article - particularly the section on "models"... http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Propaganda
Enlightening, huh? Sounds pretty much like the NEWS channels to me....
That article's given me a lot of food for thought, and I hope you find the same. Let me wrap up with one quote that I find painful in how closely it fits our current media environment:
"All propaganda has to be popular and has to accommodate itself to the comprehension of the least intelligent of those whom it seeks to reach. "
~Adolf Hitler.
Duncan,
ReplyDeleteGood one! You've nailed the media, and there is nothing I can add or take away.
BUT, I can add to your rant when it comes to unemployment and the dollar.
First the unemployment: According to some very sharp economists, our unemployment number is actually at 20.2%. This percentage is based upon the same model they used during the depression. The models range from U1, U2, U3..thru U6. The model used during the depression is a U3, and we are currently using a U6. So, if you compare this to the depression, we are at 20.2%. Additionally, during the depression, the unemployment rate was at 25%....fyi!
Secondly the dollar: I believe the dollar is set to rebound in value by comparison to other currencies. So, keep in mind, while we all believe the dollar is worthless, or rapidly approaching that point, it still moves up and down like stocks. When this climbs in value, you'll see commodoties and stocks drop in value.
Ok Ok Ok... I hate to be a prick but I have to be particular...
ReplyDelete"There's a sucker born every minute"
-P.T. Barnum
There will always be fools. Folks believe what they want. If they want to believe that the blue plastic box in their garage that proudly shouts, "We Recycle!" can really change the plannet, they will belive it. And there is nothing you can do to stop it. So I would advise you to not beat your head against the wall to much. The news suck, and only suckers like the news.
"So, keep in mind, while we all believe the dollar is worthless, or rapidly approaching that point, it still moves up and down like stocks. When this climbs in value, you'll see commodoties and stocks drop in value." -Church
I think I know what your getting at, but I still need to clear one thing up...
Money is only a label to try to explain the value of something. If the price of something (the money) goes up, it doesn't mean that it is higher in value. It only means that it is gaining value faster than the dollar.
So, if a loaf of bread cost your grandma a penny in her day, and today it costs you 4 dollars, that means that the value of Bread has out paced the value of the dollar by %8000 or 80 times.
The "Value" of something changes only based on the "value" of something else by comparison.
John,
ReplyDeleteYep, you've got it clear! And you have described "inflation" perfectly!
However, if you re-examine my post, you'll notice that I did not compare the "Almighty Buck" to bread, houses or cars. I compared it to other "fiat" currencies.....currencies that are backed by [nothing] other than the good faith of each government's proposed ability to make "good" on the note(s).
As the buck begins to flex it's muscle's against other currencies, you'll most likely see the stock market and commodoties drop in value. The "Almighty Buck" is the only fiat currency that has the ability to lower the price of commodoties, currently. And all of this is possible, thanks to the agreement at Bretton Woods, which has placed our dollar as the reserve currency.
"fiat" currencies.....currencies that are backed by [nothing] other than the good faith of each government's proposed ability to make "good" on the note(s)." -Church
ReplyDeleteYou forgot my favorite part!!! Not only does Fiat have to do with a from of faith that would make the Heaven's Gate followers blush at, but Fiat also means that you get to go to prision for using a different form of currency. Force is the real backing of our dollar!
Man I love discuss'n!
Great job Church!
Macsimus,
ReplyDeleteThat was an excellent definition of propaganda. I especially liked the reference to lying by omission.
The only thing I don't like about that definition was that it could be attached to any persuasive opinion, that is distributed through large media outlets.
I don't think that this is necessarily correct, because it makes all pro/con arguments seem like propaganda. I think true propaganda needs to have a deliberate omission of contradictory truths. When that is not the case, I wouldn't classify it as propaganda, I think everyone argues (at some level) for what they believe is truth. It's when they re-configure the information (like James Hanson)and have it repeated world wide, that we enter a true misleading propaganda scenario. The government is especially responsible for letting these situations go unchecked, and the current state of media is propaganda.
The Hitler quote is absolutely accurate, and yet extremely depressing. If in history anyone knew how to effectively propagate, it was him. Although, as you point out, our media is making a pretty solid run at it themselves.
Great Quote!
Church/John-
ReplyDeleteI completely agree with your points on fiat currency's, although I am curious as to why you believe the dollar will regain any value with what they are doing. With the printing of more money, the lack of ability to pay of our national debt, an ever increasing trade deficit, and the missalocation of scarce resources - how will the dollar regain value against commidities?
They are not even close to being done with these practices. And after a phone conversation I had on the bus yesterday, it sounds like Timothy Geittner wants to pump in another $trillion (or 2) of fresh dollars into the money supply. How does this do anything but hurt our dollar? How can that make the commodities market go down? I have heard that foreign investors are also trying to covertly dump the dollar. This would be a huge punch to its value.
I'm not even disagreeing with you, I'm just curious as to why you think this will happen. Are you expecting a more deflationary scenario, or something more involved? I do think the dollar sways back and forth, but I see us now entering the Bermuda triangle of irresponsible fiscal behavior. And I don't any light for the dollar.
Again, It's not that I necessarily think your wrong, I'm just curious as to how you think the dollar will gain on commodities.
Duncan,
ReplyDeleteRight!
The simple answer is, "greed"!
All the bailout money was produced while the dollar was low in value (see DXY @ NYSE). It's the oldest trick in the book, produce the money while the value is low, then manipulate the price higher, and let the banks roll out their "big fat" checkbooks, thanks to the taxpayers.
As all the real estate(commercial, residential, and land)as well as commodoties, continue to collapse, and the banks are fattened up with hefty amounts of cash, watch the dollar, it should increase in value and I suspect as the dollar peaks, banks will invest in hard assets! They will get the most for their money, plus "stuff" will be near a low in price.
A dollar is a dollar here in the U.S., so the value will come in as stuff tanks, but I would expect some of those dollars will be spent off shore or into commodoties.
So, it could be viewed as a run in deflation or a deflationary period, but to have sustained deflation, I believe the dollar would have to have strength, which I don't believe it does.
So, I look at things in perspectives, such as, short term, medium term, and long term. Long term our dollar won't last, especially at the pace they are printing, and it makes sense that the taxpayers money would be gifted to banks, and they would invest it into the hard assets. When this ends, I believe we will be shopping for a new dollar.
There is no real solution here, history has proven over and over again, what happens when you devalue your dollar. We will have to raise interest rates and taxes, but that won't be enough, since our government is too heavy. So, our options are file bankruptcy as a country, or devalue our dollar. You know the answer, our government is not stating it's plan out loud!
I am not quite as optimistic as Church. I honestly think our dollar could do just about anything against other currency. The only thing you can be sure about is that today you will beable to buy more with your dollar than you will tomorrow.
ReplyDeleteLOL, "I'm optimistic".....Obviously, if you knew my viewpoints better, you'd find that we are both NOT optimistic!
ReplyDelete"Apples and Oranges". I'm talkin' apples, while you're talkin' oranges. But that's okay, we need a starting point, and I'm getting a handle on how you think (at least when it comes to currency).
I don't have time now, but hopefully I can post more thoughts later, and see if we can, once again, find some middle ground.
Okay, I'm back....sorry it took so long, I've been busy!
ReplyDeleteIn short, I have referenced the US dollar index and it's value when compared to other currencies. It has a wide variety of relationships, and inverse relationships, within our market's and abroad. I've offered certain "known" relationships that exist, that will most likely influence the value of the US Currency. (Apples)
So John, it seems like your perspective of money, or the value of money is:
"The only thing you can be sure about is that today you will beable to buy more with your dollar than you will tomorrow." (Oranges)
This is a discussion around inflation, and the effects of inflation. Not a discussion around the US dollar index, and it's relationship with other currencies, or our market's.
I hope you see the difference!