As a conservative, I find the liberal ideas to be incorrect. What about it is incorrect?
Liberals (for the most part) are good people. They really have the best intentions in mind and they really want to make the world a better place. The next question one must ask is, "What about their thinking is flawed?"
I think the answer is Hubris. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hubris
In Ancient Greece, Hubris was the very peak of human pride. Usually, this referred to feelings that a Greek is greater than the Gods.
I submit that if Al Gore were to show up in Ancient Greece, he would probably put on trial for Hubris. I think the Greeks would consider a man who feels that he can control the weather, clearly has the idea in his head that he is a god.
Take it a step further... Hubris not only refers to someone who uses the greatness of others to boost their own reputation. For example, the act of Al Gore claiming to be the inventor of the Internet, that would also be Hubris.
In order to be Liberal, one must have enough pride to think that nobody knows what to do better than me. Nature cannot regulate itself, the sun doesn't cause heat, the globe heats when people drive cars. How silly!
One must forget all history to become liberal. Or, you must look at history and say "Stalin was not as wise as me, he didn't get the communist thing right. I will show you how to do it!" Once again, this is outrageous pride, and Hubris.
To be a liberal you must look at ancient history and say "The capitalistic system that brought us out of the dark ages and into the greatest country of all time is bad. I know more than the founding fathers and we must regulate capitalism so that everyone gets health care!"
I think the corner stone of Liberal thinking is the highest form of pride called Hubris. You must abandon all concept of history, science, God, logic, and freedom to declare yourself (and other current humans) as the greatest power on earth.
To be a conservative requires a humbling of ones heart. You must understand that there are forces out there greater than a human, a car, or even Obama. You do not have to be Christian or even religious at all to be a conservative. As a conservative, you can understand that Nature, Science, and history, show us that in fact have much more impact on current time than carbon credits or hummers. Your respect for the facts of history becomes your strongest power, not your liberal thinking.
I encourage all of you to humble your heart, think logically, study history, study science, and convert to the higher thinking of conservatism!
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ReplyDeleteI agree -- to a point. I think Al Gore and much of the liberal leadership are guilty of hubris, and dangerously so.
However.
I think most "liberals" (meaning those who self-identify as Democrats, Progressives, etc.) are guilty of, at most, naive idealism -- idealism untempered by a sense of the practical or an historical perspective. And there's nothing inherently wrong with idealism -- I, personally (and I honestly think most people in general) would like to live in a world where nobody has to worry about being taken care of when they're sick. That is, genuinely, a beautiful ideal.
The problem is that the world we live in is far from ideal, and the hubris of the liberal leadership is (I think quite deliberately) couched in language that appeals to the idealism of the rank-and-file "liberals" (who probably inherited their political affinities from their parents).
Most people - liberal or conservative - are sheep.
The actual tragedy, to me, is not that "liberals" have forgotten history, but rather that they never learned or comprehended it in the first place ("I just have one question: What's Marxism?"). Equally tragic is the fact that their leadership (who, by the list of degrees they hold, should know better) aids, abets, and even cultivates blissful ignorance in the interest of power and control.
OK, now I really AM depressed.
I tend to agree with you macsimus. Although, I do think (as i believe you do as well) that it is a combination of unlearned history, as well as self imposed ignorance. Some people deliberatly avoid learning the lessons of history. Some people never learned it. And others, are idealist, believing the utopian ideals of marxism. I think the issue complex.
ReplyDeleteWhat I will say in favor of John Williams, is the liberals we are exposed to in the media (TV, Radio) have no excuse but self inflicted ignorance. They thrive on the immediate needs of others and find self-importance in their plight, and then use others suffering as a way to feel valuable. Hollywood is especially this way. They take up causes to try and forget the fact that they do nearly nothing to look into the real problems facing society.They refuse to look deeply into alterior causes and solutions to problems. They are filled with pride, and take pride in every act of selflessness. Even though, almost every act they partake in is selfishly motivated.
Even the fact that they would deny modern liberalism is socialism is somewhat ridiculious. They work hand in hand with each other. However, because people associate socialism with Soviet Communism, they refuse to recognize who they are. And that is Pride and ignorance wrapped up into a huge bowl of BS.
I don't know......
ReplyDeleteI think you make a good case for "hubris", but I struggle with the idea that this is the inclusive evidence, or thee "a-ha" thought that points the finger to the causation.
I lean more on the liberalistic person or their point of views, stems from a variety of blocks that build a wall. And the foundation that it rests on is, in my view, a long and persistent attack on the free market society, and the attack has come thru propaganda. From Hollywood, the news, and our education system, it's ALL there, and it's continuous.
I think when the propoganda is fully swallowed, then it leads to pride. Just like my neighbor, who is a Pastor, and voted for the Big O. He might possibly be the most "defensive" person I know, when talking about Obama's flaws and ideas on how he is running the country. People are very competitive when it comes to voting or believing in one party or the other. So, your ideas of pride are very accurate, but I'm not sure it addresses the flawed thinking of a liberal.....the flawed thinking is either fact or emotional on the liberal's view.
"I think most "liberals" (meaning those who self-identify as Democrats, Progressives, etc.) are guilty of, at most, naive idealism" -Jeff
ReplyDeleteWhen you look at the Greek pantheon, I think each God represents and Ideal. I think holding ideals to a top standard, is a feature of a religion. In their case, the religion of the Left. I think your picture of sheep and people who refuse to learn their history suport my Hubris argument. For my theory to exist, you must hold the ideals of the left over the issues of history, thus becoming sheep.
"They refuse to look deeply into alterior causes and solutions to problems. They are filled with pride, and take pride in every act of selflessness." -Duncan
I think that this is an exact discription of hubris. Remember, Hubris is the greatest possible form of pride.
"I think you make a good case for "hubris", but I struggle with the idea that this is the inclusive evidence, or thee "a-ha" thought that points the finger to the causation."
-Church
This is not a mathematical observation. Just a theory and a philosophical one. Like you state later, it is an emotional view. I want you all to observe the way that liberals blindly follow Obama or the liberal agenda. You can see the same type of anger, contempt, or disgust for it as religious people do when they are pulled into apologetics. Watch the code pink members. If this doesn't remind you of twisted religious folks, I don't know if Heaven's Gate members...
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AmdrkmtkCw4
Okay, I hear you! Please allow me to add to your thoughts, and see if we can't find a middle ground here.
ReplyDelete"I think the corner stone of Liberal thinking is the highest form of pride called hubris." This is one of the statements that led me to say, "I don't know"... For example: When Jim Jones led all those people to drink the [special] kool-aid, they all followed him without question. I think it's more than fair to say, Jim Jones was the perfect picture of "hubris", but were his blind followers? I would say - "NO"! They were deceived, and followed him blindly, the propoganda or false teaching led them to their end, and they "swallowed" the message completely, hook/line and sinker! So, did his followers have an heir of "pride", maybe so, but that, in my opinion, was not the cornerstone. This agenda has been an education of the masses, along with some mis-steps from the right and the last administration, that caused the sheep to yearn for change. If the Big O ran 6 years ago, he would've "flopped".....timing is everything, and they timed it perfectly. This is well organized, much more so than I ever gave them credit for. The indoctrination has worked on many!
"I want you all to observe the way that liberals blindly follow Obama or the liberal agenda".....For the record, I see it!
I think we are in total agreement. There are some word choices that differ, but I think outside of that, we agree.
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